(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[Confucius Cup]PW[Oh Chi Min]PB[Kim Young-Sam]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2015-02-07]RO[3]PC[Dublin]C[Game reviewed here by Huang Yizhong 7p and Hua Xueming 7p at Confucius Cup Event in Dublin.

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Javaness [2d\]: a big match up
IrishGo [-\]: Live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
IrishGo [-\]: We'll be starting in few minutes now
miao [6d\]: so strong tournament
miao [6d\]: what is the pricemoney
IrishGo [-\]: players greeted
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;B[pq]
;W[pd]C[just9x9 [-\]: life time free guiness
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;B[cp]
;W[qo]C[MBQ [1k?\]: ugh, guiness...
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;B[dc]C[U [?\]: w strong. won go to innovation, beat fan hui. co teacher at in-seongs online xschool yunguseng dojang
nonosse [2k?\]: folding go set with a tesuji handbook
IrishGo [-\]: Live feed: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
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(;W[fq]
;B[dq]
;W[mq]
;B[op]
;W[jp]C[U [?\]: but b very strong too. will be good match
miao [6d\]: yes
MBQ [1k?\]: they play so fast
miao [6d\]: but I belive Chi min is a bit stronger though
heather [1k\]: should b disrupt this w immediately or take an enclosure?
Gigot [2k\]: Is there a result table somewhere on the net?
miao [6d\]: r4 is ok
miao [6d\]: q6 also fine, but fees a bit oddd
miao [6d\]: same with r9
heather [1k\]: r9 feels a bit odd or r9 is also fine?
heather [1k\]: I think r9 appeals to my intuition more than q6 
Gigot [2k\]: (I mean, after round 2)
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(;B[nc]
;W[pf]
;B[jd]
(;W[cf]C[IrishGo [-\]: results shortly
bcvxx: I would feel uncomfortable as w here
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(;B[de]
(;W[bd]C[nonosse [2k?\]: why? ifeel reverse
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(;B[di]C[bcvxx: because his stones seems to be scattered all around b strong positions
rorywales [?\]: Results from Round 2: http://www.irish-go.org/2015-confucius-cup-go-results-round-2/
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;W[df]
;B[ef]
;W[eg]
;B[ff]
;W[dh]C[Muttley [2k\]: what does black's t-shirt say?
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;B[ei]
;W[fg]
;B[gf]C[corners [-\]: I don't think b's positions are that strong bcvxx
nonosse [2k?\]: really? i like w at bottom, a high shimari... looks fine
bcvxx: maybe it's just me
bcvxx: high shimai is a weak shimari
Muttley [2k\]: err, no, different emphasis
nonosse [2k?\]: that s your own idea
bcvxx: a korean pro once told me that the high shimari should be made only if you already got the extansion
bcvxx: that I got, that I sel
bcvxx: sell
heather [1k\]: I never liked this kobayashi formation
nonosse [2k?\]: well w chosed it here with no constraint so i presume he liked it
BigSlick: which high shimari?
bcvxx: I'm not saying that w is hopeless anyway
Muttley [2k\]: Q14
corners [-\]: w has an extension, r5
bcvxx: just that I will feel unconfortable
Muttley [2k\]: what happened to the video feed?
BigSlick: it's not a shimari technically
corners [-\]: admittedly a rather tenuous one, but :P
Muttley [2k\]: someone tread on the camera lead?
Muttley [2k\]: why not slick?
corners [-\]: because b made an approach
heather [1k\]: oh internet
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;W[lc]C[Lowlander [2k\]: w has m17 
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;B[ld]C[nonosse [2k?\]: it s called like that even if it isnt the same spirit as a 3-4 shimari
BigSlick: shimari is when you put 2 stones in a corner before the opponent goes there
Lowlander [2k\]: here we go
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
Muttley [2k\]: I see, thx
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;W[kc]C[Muttley [2k\]: good point :)
bcvxx: and w is giving b more influence
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;B[kd]C[bcvxx: he should be really confident
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;W[jc]
;B[mc]C[corners [-\]: l17 is usually a bit slack, but probably no choice here because b has the ladder and there's no good breaker
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;W[hc]
;B[id]C[bcvxx: now w "shimari" is getting hurt
corners [-\]: that is, l16 l17 l15 m18 k17 n17 l18 m17 j16 ladder
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;W[gb]C[Muttley [2k\]: do they really get free guiness at the tournament?
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;B[lb]
(;W[ic]C[bcvxx: ofc, in ireland you can get free guinnes almost everywhere
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(;B[qh]C[just9x9 [-\]: only when playing black
Muttley [2k\]: heh
Gigot [2k\]: The winner of this game may be the winner of the tournament.
bcvxx: there are fountains in the middle of squares
eleven21: in this situration q14 should have been r14. q14 is nearer to b's thickness, and has this weakness
Muttley [2k\]: Ireland really is the best country in the world
eleven21: situation*
DrH0use [1d\]: are they peo ?
DrH0use [1d\]: pro ?
corners [-\]: no, amateur
Muttley [2k\]: considering w beat Fan Hui, black is kicking w around here
miao [6d\]: are u sure mutt?
corners [-\]: black is hardly kicking w around
nonosse [2k?\]: R9?
Muttley [2k\]: I base it all on r12, miao, I'm very shallow
bcvxx: r10 standard.... but here I guess is riski
corners [-\]: w destroyed all black's territory at top, it's natural for b to have an advantage outside
corners [-\]: r9 is more standard than r10
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;W[ed]C[Muttley [2k\]: but yeah, "kicking" is a way too strong :)
nonosse [2k?\]: thx :)
corners [-\]: definitely r9 over r10 here, r10 doesn't work well with r5
bcvxx: "pushing" maybe
just9x9 [-\]: "begging" :)
Gigot [2k\]: I was nto sure w alive at the top
Muttley [2k\]: Gigot, hint: we're 2k.   He's 7d.  Trust the 7d.
Gigot [2k\]: I have my belives anyway :)
Muttley [2k\]: good for you, its important to believe in yourself :)(
bcvxx: he is a 7d in the place of free guinnes.... you never know what can happen
Muttley [2k\]: :)
fanfre [4k?\]: E18 L18 miai
nonosse [2k?\]: do they have anti doping control?
bluejay [1k\]: d16 easy
Gigot [2k\]: Is it a two biers handicap game?
bcvxx: yes, if you haven't got any guinnes in your blood you cna't access the playing room
rorywales [?\]: Results from Round 2: http://www.irish-go.org/2015-confucius-cup-go-results-round-2/
Aristotle [?\]: b f17 interesting
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(;B[qc]C[Javaness [2d\]: there are plenty of other good irish beverages
nonosse [2k?\]: e16 helps for eyes anyway
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;W[pc]
;B[pb]C[BigSlick: you should try playing drunken checkers
Gigot [2k\]: Whisky?
bcvxx: vodka?
nonosse [2k?\]: Are youthere Javaness?
Gigot [2k\]: Vodka is russian, no?
bcvxx: (just kidding)
fanfre [4k?\]: R17 is a very noble timing
Marek [5d\]: whatever "."
Trilliam [7k\]: does anyone know what time they have for this game?
Muttley [2k\]: strong tournament
nonosse [2k?\]: it s written
Marek [5d\]: hi Muttley
Muttley [2k\]: hi Marek
BigSlick: 60:00 + 0:30x5
corners [-\]: r16 ? surely p18 is too much
Gigot [2k\]: I prefer black's position in the fuseki.
nonosse [2k?\]: options/rules/....
Marek [5d\]: nice star :)
bcvxx: I'm looking q12 like
Trilliam [7k\]: thx big
bluejay [1k\]: r16 the way to GO
nonosse [2k?\]: Q12 would help b
fanfre [4k?\]: w paying for M17
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
Muttley [2k\]: Thank you :))
fanfre [4k?\]: b plan works well with P4
BrockGo [4d?\]: live stream is a minute behind
sharma [6d\]: How is Csaba doing so far?
bcvxx: if w handle this group in sente he got d16-e15
Muttley [2k\]: I was given my gold star for my services to cats
nonosse [2k?\]: it s why 2eye ran away?
Gigot [2k\]: Sharma, the results are here: http://www.irish-go.org/2015-confucius-cup-go-results-round-2/
Muttley [2k\]: Here is one of trainees caring for a lovely local cat
sharma [6d\]: Thx
Muttley [2k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7ZB5dM-gg
Alife361 [1k?\]: в16 тщц
Alife361 [1k?\]: d16 now
Muttley [2k\]: Are UK tournaments normally this strong?
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(;W[me]C[bcvxx: d16 now is smaller than waht b can get, imo, w should play a move on the right before 
Xylol [2k\]: @Mutt i doubt
bcvxx: n15...... peep at everything you can cut
bluejay [1k\]: Why did they make all the strange moves
Muttley [2k\]: :)) Yeah, not a nice person
bcvxx: free guinnes bluejay, free guinnes
Aristotle [?\]: b s18; is the cut serious?
Muttley [2k\]: this would make a great Guinness commercial
humblelife [-\]: i like the peep, both potential b groups arronger than we much st
Xylol [2k\]: its a pity there are two large tournaments on the same day..
Gigot [2k\]: Is not peeping a bad habit?
BigSlick: peep like meryl streep
corners [-\]: no, more often people have bad habits of peeping too much
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;B[rb]C[humblelife [-\]: i suppose it can get you into trouble
nonosse [2k?\]: if you cant cut peep is fine
bcvxx: aristotle....nice guess
Muttley [2k\]: the rule is: don't peep where you can cut
Muttley [2k\]: can white cut?
corners [-\]: not effectively after playing r16
nonosse [2k?\]: yes but not sure it s good
fanfre [4k?\]: but why peep now, that's a more delicate question
Muttley [2k\]: its not good :)
Aristotle [?\]: it is all i know - guessing!
bluejay [1k\]: Dont peep the wrong way, the place, and the wrong time
corners [-\]: that was the idea of the peep, if b connects then w can r16 freely
bcvxx: "peep at whatever you can cut" was my rule
Herod [-\]: white quite outnumbered in that region - peep to make shape rather than cut to start a bad fight
Muttley [2k\]: not the use of the past tense
Gigot [2k\]: The proverbs are "Do not peep at cutting points" and "Even a moron connects against a peep"
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(;W[dd]C[bluejay [1k\]: peep to make your eyes satisfied
corners [-\]: yay profit
fanfre [4k?\]: well, b didn't connect
purp [4k\]: some morons make big one eyed dragons
corners [-\]: p13 
Muttley [2k\]: White takes another gulp of Guiness.   He wonders why his opponent has twice as many stones on the board as him now.
humblelife [-\]: n15 is decent shape anyway, allows n13 or so
nonosse [2k?\]: makes me thirsty
Lowlander [2k\]: lol, muttley for president :)
Muttley [2k\]: I take it this is being played in Ireland?
bcvxx: w can sacrifice q14 and escape with n15, escaping can end up being sente, because of n16 cut
Xylol [2k\]: IrishGo, can you do something with the steam
Xylol [2k\]: it is very bright
Muttley [2k\]: sorry, meant Dublin
Xylol [2k\]: maybe change angle a bit?
bluejay [1k\]: Why b give up the corner? 
just9x9 [-\]: steam is bright lol
BigSlick: muttley should be awarded an honorary dan
BigSlick: Muttley[hd\]
Muttley [2k\]: I didn't get where I am today without asking dumb questions :)
purp [4k\]: brilliant
purp [4k\]: you are evolution incarnate
Muttley [2k\]: How many players are in the xiangqi tournament?
nonosse [2k?\]: in fact i forgot D16 and it seems huge now
bluejay [1k\]: There is only dull question, no dumb question
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;B[og]C[just9x9 [-\]: i assure you, there are dumb questoions out there...
bcvxx: n13 like?
purp [4k\]: to you the knower of course
Muttley [2k\]: w b left e16 on, he was saying "I figure the top right is more than the top left"
dfguio: some people says there's no stupid question
Xylol [2k\]: some people are stupid
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
GordonCole [3k\]: why they no play these checkers in the boxes?
Muttley [2k\]: considering I got a phd in analysing the characteristics of noise, I wholeheartedly stand for dumb questions
dfguio: :D
Lice [4d\]: why do all koreans wear the same glasses?
Gigot [2k\]: n13 or tenuki?
nonosse [2k?\]: fashion
StarrySky [3k\]: noise can have chraecteristics? 
corners [-\]: tenuki and b will swallow the whole group
miao [6d\]: w will einn
nonosse [2k?\]: P13 hurts, i m curious of w answer
Muttley [2k\]: yes, starrysky, it can
Muttley [2k\]: and my question was "if we can know what noise is, can we know what isn't noise?"
bluejay [1k\]: P13 nice move
Gigot [2k\]: Maybe they are Go glasses: it is like google glasses, and can count the territory
corners [-\]: what was the answer?
Lowlander [2k\]: maybe n13 is 
bcvxx: "no"
Muttley [2k\]: "yes" (300 pages later).
corners [-\]: lol
just9x9 [-\]: oh, we can?
Muttley [2k\]: yes :))
StarrySky [3k\]: but.. but.. noise is defeined by having no pattern.. randomness.. so no char
TetuThoth [4k\]: @corners: 42
Lice [4d\]: i bet you can make milions selling this study to the pop music industry
Muttley [2k\]: I'll stop here because I don't want to take this away from the game
StarrySky [3k\]: ok :(
bcvxx: quite interesting subject
bcvxx: (topic)
Muttley [2k\]: but its actually a fundamental question in wavelet analysis :)
AshMash [5k\]: Hum...
bcvxx: yes I remember a '50 (maybe) study from bell industries....
just9x9 [-\]: thats was muttleys :)
Lice [4d\]: the left guy looks in shape
bluejay [1k\]: b will gain by hunting the q16 group
Muttley [2k\]: w stones are squealing in pain
Lice [4d\]: is he working out?
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;W[mg]C[just9x9 [-\]: just sacrifice
bcvxx: yeah!!!
just9x9 [-\]: oh
Lowlander [2k\]: hurray
bcvxx: I love when I got the strategic idea right
nonosse [2k?\]: need to justfy the peep
corners [-\]: I'm not sure n13 is a strategic idea :) good call though
Herod [-\]: the peep was to make the better light shape and help w get out
Muttley [2k\]: why shouldn't n13 be a good idea?
nonosse [2k?\]: only movr\\e locally to me
DnbK: Did anybody make brackets for this tournameny?
TetuThoth [4k\]: What game are they playing on the other board?
Muttley [2k\]: its flexible, doesn't commit w to saving a few stones, and starts to say "hey black, your two stones aren't the strongest in the world, are they?"
nonosse [2k?\]: n13 or tenuki
Muttley [2k\]: Chinese chess, Tetu
corners [-\]: didn't mean in a bad way, just meant it was more of a tactical concept than strategic IMO
Muttley [2k\]: playing high/outside strategically crucial, I would say
TetuThoth [4k\]: Thanks - will look it up...
Lice [4d\]: save your self the time tetu
corners [-\]: if you think w is planning to sacrifice the inside, ok
Muttley [2k\]: xiangqi I think
bcvxx: to me in go strategy is what concern evaluating and shaping groups strenght
Muttley [2k\]: w can cut the knight's move, crudely admittedly, but its still a weakness, for example
Gigot [2k\]: white could not have both top left and top right
Muttley [2k\]: and later, w still has n16
nonosse [2k?\]: strategy is like nothing because it lies in every move
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
Lice [4d\]: w has a much better bosition
bluejay [1k\]: w is doing fine
rorywales [?\]: Results from Round 2: http://www.irish-go.org/2015-confucius-cup-go-results-round-2/
bcvxx: now I like w
IrishGo [-\]: 35mins each remaining
nonosse [2k?\]: nut what about the high "shimari"?
bcvxx: it was weak, and w did sacrifice it
Muttley [2k\]: psy, gagnam style: 2,233,435,496 views.  Confucius Cup Rnd 3: 26 views.
corners [-\]: why do you think w sacrificed it?
Gigot [2k\]: I smell a huge fight in this game
bcvxx: or at least he offered it
corners [-\]: if w is offering a sacrifice, then how does b cut?
bcvxx: corners b can cut
corners [-\]: how
bcvxx: but it's vulgar
bcvxx: o14
AndEdhel [4k\]: muttley, give it time (and hope the plauers burst into a song & dance?)
corners [-\]: o14 o15 
bcvxx: n14
corners [-\]: m14 
nonosse [2k?\]: i m still looking looking D16 and how huge it was
bcvxx: m13
bcvxx: and w is cut
corners [-\]: q13 
bluejay [1k\]: b can play anywhere now
corners [-\]: well, cut in a loose sense :) doesn't really work well for b
bcvxx: yes
bcvxx: that's why I like w now
nonosse [2k?\]: R8?
Gigot [2k\]: I also think R8 is a good idea
nonosse [2k?\]: or N11 to continue pressure
Gigot [2k\]: or even r7
corners [-\]: o14 o15 n14 m14 p15 ?
Javaness [2d\]: why can't they play simple moves i udnerstand
goodminton [-\]: so simple?
bcvxx: n12?
bluejay [1k\]: R7
corners [-\]: they're only 7d, not strong enough for simple moves :)
Gigot [2k\]: Only pro play honte?
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;B[md]C[bcvxx: b is a pro
bluejay [1k\]: n16 so chicken
nonosse [2k?\]: should be happy, javaness :)
Gigot [2k\]: so painful
Xylol [2k\]: bcvxx: b is a pro, how you know?
bcvxx: if you're pro it's honte, otherwise is chiken??
Aristotle [?\]: now w will cut at p12
Gigot [2k\]:  B is a korean presidant
eleven21: if b has a severe move when w tenuki, then it should be a honte
bcvxx: @xilol gigot: only pro play honte---->b plays honte, the solution is left as an exercise
nonosse [2k?\]: N16 helps to cut too
Aristotle [?\]: in that case, he will order the execution of the p12 cut
Muttley [2k\]: I'm pretty sure Psy was Tartrate
bcvxx: :-))
Gigot [2k\]: That was a question.
just9x9 [-\]: Tartrate gangam style?
Muttley [2k\]: The only way to become an insei
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
GordonCole [3k\]: when tartrate lasthere
Xylol [2k\]: Irish, could you change the angle a bit
just9x9 [-\]: he shows up from time to time
Xylol [2k\]: it is very bright
IrishGo [-\]: sorry can't impove it really
Xylol [2k\]: ah ok.
Xylol [2k\]: thx
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;W[of]C[bcvxx: w took back his offer
nonosse [2k?\]: cutting the keima would only have helped b
bcvxx: waht about r4 now?
Lice [4d\]: bad
AndEdhel [4k\]: s14?
bcvxx: Lice, my idea was to make a splitting attack
miao [6d\]: b behind by lots
bcvxx: is  that a bad idea?
Lice [4d\]: no, but r4 does not make that
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;B[ql]C[Lice [4d\]: sorry
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;W[rq]C[DnbK: Are the brackets for this hosted anywhere?
bcvxx: ok, thx
Xylol [2k\]: http://www.irish-go.org/2015-confucius-cup-go-results-round-2/
nonosse [2k?\]: q6?
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(;B[ip]C[bcvxx: o.O
DnbK: Thanks, Xylol. Would you happen to know about all the lingo/intricacies of this tournament?
Lice [4d\]: k3
Xylol [2k\]: just the stuff on the site sorry
bcvxx: j4 surpise me, I'd thought b wuold have h3 locally
Gigot [2k\]: Who is Fan Hui playing against?
DnbK: I understand Num, Pl, Name, Grade, Co and Club, but what are the NbW, MMS, SOS and SOSOS columns, and what does e.g. 5+/b0 mean?
nonosse [2k?\]: j4 is on the right shape with h3 and g4
nonosse [2k?\]: (attack&defense ishi press)
AndEdhel [4k\]: nb if wins, mac mahon score, sul of opponent scores, sum of sos
bcvxx: but j4 aim to build influence
AndEdhel [4k\]: sul=sum
Gigot [2k\]: 5+ : won against player 5
Gigot [2k\]: as black, handicap 0
bcvxx: hard to use influence since w will have only one group to worry about
AndEdhel [4k\]: mac mahon basically have you start at your rank, then gain or lose 1 mms with each win/loss
DnbK: So the NbW column is the amount of wins?
AndEdhel [4k\]: yes
Xylol [2k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?SOS
Xylol [2k\]: you get a mc mahon score, everyone does. top player has the same score
DnbK: Thanks for the explanation. :)
DnbK: So in this tournament, how many points you win by also matters?
Xylol [2k\]: then all is summed up and also the sum is summed up
AndEdhel [4k\]: mms decides who fights who. nbw decides usually who wins (sosos determines if 2 have same sos)
Xylol [2k\]: not points on the board.
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;W[iq]
;B[hq]
(;W[ir]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: 1 win is 1 win, be it by .5 pt or 134.5, same thing
Lice [4d\]: w must be very confident in his win to play this ****
miao [6d\]: this is a normal move
miao [6d\]: ...
Lice [4d\]: no way
Prodigious [-\]: it's pretty standard
Lice [4d\]: i haven't seen it ever
miao [6d\]: surprise surprise
nonosse [2k?\]: what other choice?
romain [1k\]: all ladders favor black, white can't do much i think
Gigot [2k\]: look likes black wants a moyo on the left
miao [6d\]: here i see no other option
miao [6d\]: sometimes h2 also works
miao [6d\]: but here b will just live under
Lice [4d\]: i've seen j4 probably a hundred times atlesat in pro games
Lice [4d\]: and never this variatiion
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(;B[mp]C[miao [6d\]: hm
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;W[lp]C[nonosse [2k?\]: b has a plan
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(;B[lo]C[bcvxx: a plan to help w?
miao [6d\]: good
miao [6d\]: maybe
miao [6d\]: propablya +
Euphony [4k\]: white needs to save r5 stones
bcvxx: r5 stones are not that weak
nonosse [2k?\]: well he may start a double attack in some way yes
bcvxx: (that's why I was trying different things from r8)
miao [6d\]: b planning s6
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(;W[np]
;B[mo]
;W[no]C[miao [6d\]: o.o
just9x9 [-\]: o3 come on
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;B[nq]
;W[nr]C[just9x9 [-\]: yeah
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;B[oq]C[bcvxx: furikawari
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;W[lq]C[miao [6d\]: god in heaven
Euphony [4k\]: wow
Euphony [4k\]: so m5 was mistake
Lice [4d\]: corner gonna die
miao [6d\]: chimin is the man
Gigot [2k\]: Did white play this because he has R2?
Jazzman [1d\]: w looks comfortable, in live stream
Tokuchi [2k\]: can you share the link for the live stream?
Xylol [2k\]: what happend?
miao [6d\]: he played it to not die with r5
Xylol [2k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er9ygirZ5n4
miao [6d\]: still hard, but now black has big aji
Tokuchi [2k\]: Thank you!
Gigot [2k\]: White is gone for another guiness
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
nonosse [2k?\]: what s wrong with Q6 now?
just9x9 [-\]: i would drive out now with o6 p5 q5 p6 q6 p7 
Tokuchi [2k\]: what kind of game to they play on the live stream next to the bord?
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;B[nn]C[Xylol [2k\]: chinese chess
just9x9 [-\]: xiangqi i guess
IrishGo [-\]: it's both go and chinese chess tournament
bcvxx: nice
just9x9 [-\]: the winner of the chinese chess section gets to enter the go tournament :P
bcvxx: how gameist
sarmale [7k\]: is
Gigot [2k\]: Where does Kim Young-Sam live?
miao [6d\]: seul
miao [6d\]: o5 is an option
bcvxx: o5?
miao [6d\]: propably not a good one though
just9x9 [-\]: o5 is no longer an option
miao [6d\]: p5
miao [6d\]: sorry
Tokuchi [2k\]: p5 can make the corner weak no?
AndEdhel [4k\]: he lives in o5? ^^
Lice [4d\]: if he doesn't play p5 he admitts that this whole sequence was terrible for him
lukep [5k\]: p5 is poor for white
Lice [4d\]: (starting from j3 and j2 ofcource)
nonosse [2k?\]: looks difficult to give up the 2 stones or?
lukep [5k\]: black makes huge thickness 
miao [6d\]: not true at all lince..
miao [6d\]: *lice
romain [1k\]: even if it offers white two moves for the price of one ?
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;B[po]
;W[on]
;B[pn]C[Aristotle [?\]: if w does not play p5, he shouldn't have played this in the first place
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;W[om]C[lukep [5k\]: ?????
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(;B[pm]C[miao [6d\]: this is not the game
lukep [5k\]: this is odd
lukep [5k\]: oh
miao [6d\]: at least for now
romain [1k\]: there is 30 second delay
bcvxx: this is very kiuish
miao [6d\]: they play it
AndEdhel [4k\]: r4?
miao [6d\]: ah
Aristotle [?\]: OK, w is consistent!
nonosse [2k?\]: with R4 kikashi, does w live?
Lice [4d\]: no
Gigot [2k\]: White can play R3 later
Gigot [2k\]: r2
just9x9 [-\]: r2 seems alive for me
miao [6d\]: w has nice aji
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;W[ol]C[nonosse [2k?\]: aji or life?
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;B[ng]C[miao [6d\]: yes
Tokuchi [2k\]: actualy its just aji :P
SirFlunky [2k\]: i dont think its legal to play go in ireland
Aristotle [?\]: w sacrifice the corner for the greater good
miao [6d\]: just aji...
K5 [1k?\]: life is aji
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;W[qp]
;B[pp]C[bcvxx: now b can get a spltting attack maybe
just9x9 [-\]: there we go b2bomber
DmitryK [9k\]: why are the moves here faster then on the video? O_o
SirFlunky [2k\]: b is too weak at n4 to split yet
Tokuchi [2k\]: 30sec delay
IrishGo [-\]: there is a bit of a delay, sorry about that
Quazar [5k\]: livestream...
DmitryK [9k\]: Ah ok)
romain [1k\]: video is less live than irishgo, or irishgo has read players so much he can predict what they will play, and when.
just9x9 [-\]: r9 come on :)
AndEdhel [4k\]: the gnomes painting in the camera can't keep up
Gigot [2k\]: why not keeping r4 as a ko threat?
nonosse [2k?\]: M7?
miao [6d\]: haha
bcvxx: if w played r4 it means he want to lean on q7 imo
bcvxx: as just9 said
nonosse [2k?\]: but then you kill R4
Xylol [2k\]: trading r4 for n5 ?
Xylol [2k\]: i dont get whats happening
Alife361 [1k?\]: T?
KoyoToya [-\]: r4 has two directions to go
KoyoToya [-\]: not dead in any lifetime
nonosse [2k?\]: i just get that w should help his group P7
bcvxx: w can sacrifice all the r4 aji to not fall under a splitting attack with p8 and n13 imo
romain [1k\]: well, if W can somehow fix his problems with q14  and p8 at the cost of R4, I think it's worth it ...
Gigot [2k\]: r9 => q8 q9 p9
bcvxx: what about p10?
miao [6d\]: r2 o14 r11
bcvxx: isn't r14 a bit shy by b?
bcvxx: o14 sorry
miao [6d\]: what do you suggest?
Lice [4d\]: b won't get o14
Lice [4d\]: w plays there now
miao [6d\]: if it was that obvious w would have played there by now
Lice [4d\]: r4 was importent
bcvxx: n12?
nonosse [2k?\]: P11 before o14?
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
nonosse [2k?\]: to help w stick
miao [6d\]: unclear
Gigot [2k\]: How much time is left pls?
Alife361 [1k?\]: w is in _very_deep meditation, i guess
Alife361 [1k?\]: T?
bcvxx: w drunk sleeping
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(;W[oi]C[nonosse [2k?\]: yeah
nonosse [2k?\]: ishould go next year
bcvxx: I was close -.-
corners [-\]: interesting move
IrishGo [-\]: b 18 min w 8 min
nonosse [2k?\]: interesting but unclear , true :)
miao [6d\]: samsam looks tiered
corners [-\]: b could o14 and cut here
corners [-\]: how does w deal with that?
nonosse [2k?\]: capture R12
corners [-\]: how?
Gigot [2k\]: Did he come from Korea for this tournament?
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;B[pg]C[nonosse [2k?\]: by cutting
nonosse [2k?\]: ok no more
miao [6d\]: he is studying here
elianovici [4d\]: Did Fan Hoi won?
elianovici [4d\]: Hui*
miao [6d\]: in london
nonosse [2k?\]: no
elianovici [4d\]: k
elianovici [4d\]: tx
nonosse [2k?\]: lost 5.5 pts
Gigot [2k\]: Ok, thx for the answers
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;W[mh]C[miao [6d\]: wow
MrFofi [3d\]: he sacrifice q14 for r9 ..
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;B[nf]C[corners [-\]: powerful but risky strategy
Gigot [2k\]: seems so
Lice [4d\]: weird that he's taking risks while being so much ahead
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;W[qi]C[miao [6d\]: maybe it is more like risk management
AndEdhel [4k\]: q6 could be cut
nonosse [2k?\]: it s all what it s about yet
miao [6d\]: r11 is really powerful
miao [6d\]: and now he doesn´t need to run with Q16 anymore
corners [-\]: true
romain [1k\]: yeah Q16 must have been a burden
AndEdhel [4k\]: p11 is a great move if this cuts
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;W[rj]
;B[pi]C[romain [1k\]: and still usefull :)
Lice [4d\]: there are too many sente moves on r4..
romain [1k\]: is that a ko ?
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;W[pj]C[Xylol [2k\]: are they already in the byo-yomi?
miao [6d\]: oh chimin playing better than I saw him doing for a long time
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;B[qj]
;W[qk]C[Gigot [2k\]: not yet, but there are not far from byo-yomi
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
Xylol [2k\]: ty
nonosse [2k?\]: what is fun is that all started by a b plan
nonosse [2k?\]: but i assume b didnt expect w to resist at o5
romain [1k\]: if for some reason black make a big threat and white ignore and take second, black may be unable to follow up his threat because white will have o15  ....
corners [-\]: b doesn't have that big threats
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(;B[pk]C[romain [1k\]: pretty much a game ko isn't it ?
corners [-\]: is it ko?
Gigot [2k\]: maybe b c15 is a threat big enough
romain [1k\]: i don't know
Lice [4d\]: b can't play this
corners [-\]: c15 is probably not big enough
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;W[qi]
;B[ok]
;W[ph]
;B[rg]C[romain [1k\]: now we're talking
miao [6d\]: oh
miao [6d\]: wow
miao [6d\]: didn´t see s13
Gigot [2k\]: white O9 now
miao [6d\]: :)
romain [1k\]: as says the singer, "here comes the pain"
miao [6d\]: just n8
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;B[mk]C[corners [-\]: this looks great for b
miao [6d\]: yes
AndEdhel [4k\]: s8
Gigot [2k\]: o8 was a misclick?
IrishGo [-\]: no
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;W[ll]
;B[pl]C[corners [-\]: o8 is for liberties
Xylol [2k\]: whats the dispute on the other board?
IrishGo [-\]: it's in Chinese, don't know. something with the clock :)
AndEdhel [4k\]: o11 looms
Xylol [2k\]: they should use ingclocks next time
Xylol [2k\]: well they maybe missing fisher time but...
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;W[nh]C[Alife361 [1k?\]: Maybe this is just te rule - decide the winner in ending dispute?
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;B[lk]C[nonosse [2k?\]: but can w say w is alive now with r4 and s7 peep
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;W[ne]
;B[mf]C[Gigot [2k\]: Now, we will see how powerful a dragon can be.
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;W[lf]
;B[le]C[Euphony [4k\]: what is white doing?
AndEdhel [4k\]: p15 r14, b is fine?
corners [-\]: w r14 first
corners [-\]: but then b has s15
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;W[kl]C[Gigot [2k\]: I think white is reinforcing his group before attacking 
Xylol [2k\]: q14 dead?
corners [-\]: yes
AndEdhel [4k\]: s9 maybe?
Xylol [2k\]: n9 to kill all or nothing?
miao [6d\]: r2
miao [6d\]: is honte at least
nonosse [2k?\]: r2 s7
corners [-\]: s7 doesn't work
DesMites [4k\]: w lose
miao [6d\]: it does
miao [6d\]: but it will kill the other side
miao [6d\]: most likely
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;B[kk]C[corners [-\]: really? How does it live?
ravener [1k\]: r2 is enough to live
Aristotle [?\]: white's false eyes look impressive
SirFlunky [2k\]: everything here is alive
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;W[jl]C[miao [6d\]: s7 s8 t7
bcvxx: everything is alive and full of happy thoughts
miao [6d\]: at least ko
nonosse [2k?\]: not Q16 sirfunky
corners [-\]: yeah, ko
SirFlunky [2k\]: q16 is alive
Xylol [2k\]: p12 and q14 and r4 dead to me :D
SirFlunky [2k\]: until its caught
SirFlunky [2k\]: or marked dead
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;B[rk]C[Xylol [2k\]: w resigned?
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;W[si]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: yay
just9x9 [-\]: am i wrong or did b catch up?
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;B[rh]C[miao [6d\]: it depends very much on what dies and what lives now
Xylol [2k\]: in the stream it looked like they are talking already
Gigot [2k\]: Can N12 live?
IrishGo [-\]: w in byo yomi
miao [6d\]: I must admitt I don´t know
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
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(;W[fo]C[just9x9 [-\]: f5?
AndEdhel [4k\]: n12 still tough to kill but now it s possible
oonicks [?\]: i just tried to count, w sort of survived the setback on the top for now (-2.5 or so)
nonosse [2k?\]: tenuki loool
miao [6d\]: wow
DesMites [4k\]: omg
just9x9 [-\]: scribe?
just9x9 [-\]: sure?
nonosse [2k?\]: cant believeeit
miao [6d\]: makes sense
just9x9 [-\]: oh it does?
miao [6d\]: but I´d be too scared
Xylol [2k\]: but whats the status of r5 &r11 
miao [6d\]: yeah
miao [6d\]: b must invest now
nonosse [2k?\]: but N12 looks really weak
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;B[kh]C[nonosse [2k?\]: see
miao [6d\]: and then there is still ko
corners [-\]: r5 is a move to kill or live either way. r11 uncertain
Aristotle [?\]: who said, everything is alive?
just9x9 [-\]: even d17?
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(;W[ki]C[miao [6d\]: create ko threats
miao [6d\]: :)
Gigot [2k\]: r11 dead: no ko threat is big enough
Xylol [2k\]: miao could you explain what is happening?
just9x9 [-\]: local ones might be
corners [-\]: problem with ko though is that it still only gives one eye
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;B[li]C[wuhu [8k\]: .
corners [-\]: so need another eye somewhere
just9x9 [-\]: s8 to start ko
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;W[rl]
;B[qj]C[oonicks [?\]: i like w very subtle play, but the option to stay alive with all small groups did not really work out for r4
corners [-\]: r4 isn't dead yet
Gigot [2k\]: even local threats may be ignored
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;W[co]C[Xylol [2k\]: q14 is dead, isnt it?
corners [-\]: yes, q14 is dead
nonosse [2k?\]: yep
AndEdhel [4k\]: t10 and kill r4? ^^
IrishGo [-\]: w only 1 byo yomi period left
oonicks [?\]: but q 17 was a simi8lar risk allthough a different idea 
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;B[do]C[oonicks [?\]: well just an opinion
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;W[qk]
;B[rm]C[just9x9 [-\]: b has t9. what else?
just9x9 [-\]: oh
DesMites [4k\]: ???
Xylol [2k\]: r5 also dead
miao [6d\]: lol
nonosse [2k?\]: so 1  eye
miao [6d\]: still dead
just9x9 [-\]: s7 helps with s3
AndEdhel [4k\]: oh... this means w is already dead
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;W[sk]
;B[oj]C[just9x9 [-\]: t7
AndEdhel [4k\]: p10
just9x9 [-\]: or this
just9x9 [-\]: wow
Xylol [2k\]: l13 
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;W[lh]
;B[ji]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: i can almost hear the holy grail's "I'm not deaad"...
IrishGo [-\]: B+R
Xylol [2k\]: this is so much time pressure
Aristotle [?\]: white can make a 4h false eye
Javaness [2d\]: thanks IrishGo
bcvxx: it is deaaad
Xylol [2k\]: thx
just9x9 [-\]: wow
IrishGo [-\]: thanks for watching
AndEdhel [4k\]: bring out your deaaaad
just9x9 [-\]: grats to youngsam
bcvxx: strange game by w
miao [6d\]: great game
nonosse [2k?\]: F5 was out of the mind
miao [6d\]: probs to both
just9x9 [-\]: he got his revenge from egc
nonosse [2k?\]: thanks Irishgo
Xylol [2k\]: big tournaments in russia and here
miao [6d\]: samsam saying p5 was too much
Xylol [2k\]: a pity
just9x9 [-\]: have fun with the evening beer now :)
miao [6d\]: and top was too big for w
Sunako [3k\]: after beat fan he lost against kim T_T
Xylol [2k\]: miao since when you speak korean or is it the board talk to you :D
Gigot [2k\]: You can speak korean?
Sunako [3k\]: black get revenge from london open
IrishGo [-\]: Round 4 tomorrow at 10:30AM 
Xylol [2k\]: gmt?
Xylol [2k\]: :-P
IrishGo [-\]: UTC
Xylol [2k\]: thx
Gigot [2k\]: Thx for the broadcast also.
IrishGo [-\]: :-)
miao [6d\]: thx
AshMash [5k\]: ta!
IrishGo [-\]: Cristian Pop joined the party
IrishGo [-\]: live stream: http://youtu.be/Er9ygirZ5n4
Xylol [2k\]: pop looks like from the 90s
Xylol [2k\]: nice, really.
Muttley [2k\]: heh, they are still analysing
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